In a riveting episode of The Tucker Carlson Show released on September 8, 2025, host Tucker Carlson sat down for a nearly two-and-a-half-hour conversation with Dr. Kirk Moore, a Utah-based plastic surgeon whose story reads like a medical thriller. Titled "Bill Gates, Truth About Vaccines, & Big Pharma’s Plot to Destroy Doctors Who Question 'The Science'," the interview delves into Moore's controversial decision to protect his patients from the COVID-19 vaccines by administering placebos instead.
What began as an act of ethical medicine turned into a federal nightmare, with prosecutors attempting to sentence him to life in prison. Carlson, known for his unfiltered probes into institutional overreach, uses the platform to expose what he calls a "war on informed consent," framing Moore's ordeal as a microcosm of broader threats to medical freedom.
Dr. Moore, a seasoned surgeon with decades of experience, didn't set out to become a rebel. As mandates rolled out in 2021, he faced mounting pressure to vaccinate his patients—many of whom were elderly or vulnerable, undergoing elective procedures like cosmetic surgery or reconstructions. "Post-Nazi medicine is based on informed consent," Carlson opens the discussion, echoing the Nuremberg Code's emphasis on voluntary participation in medical interventions. Moore agreed, but he went further: after reviewing the available data, he concluded the vaccines posed unacceptable risks without proven benefits. "I couldn't in good conscience inject people with something that hadn't been properly tested," Moore recounts, his voice steady but laced with disbelief at the fallout.
The heart of the interview revolves around Moore's "protocol"—a clandestine system he devised to honor patient autonomy while shielding them from what he viewed as experimental gene therapy. Rather than outright refusing vaccinations, which could invite immediate scrutiny, Moore obtained saline-filled vials resembling authentic COVID-19 shots. He administered these placebos to patients who requested the vaccine, documenting everything as if it were the real thing to avoid tipping off authorities. "It was the only ethical way to provide a placebo control in real time," Moore explains.
This wasn't haphazard; he sourced the vials through trusted networks and ensured rigorous sterility protocols, treating them with the same precision as any surgical tool. Over several months, he "vaccinated" hundreds of patients this way, believing it prevented potential harms like myocarditis, blood clots, or autoimmune reactions he had observed in vaccinated colleagues and early reports.
Moore's decision stemmed from a deep dive into the science—or lack thereof—surrounding the vaccines. He emphasizes that there was "no evidence or clinical trials to back up the vaccine" at the time of rollout. The mRNA shots from Pfizer and Moderna, he argues, skipped traditional long-term safety studies.
Phase III trials were abbreviated under Operation Warp Speed, with follow-up data limited to mere months rather than the years required for novel biologics. "These were the first mRNA products ever approved for human use," Moore tells Carlson. "Where were the animal trials showing no fertility issues or cancer risks? They weren't there."
He cites the rushed Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) process, where the FDA relied on surrogate endpoints like antibody levels instead of hard outcomes like mortality reduction. Independent analyses, Moore notes, later revealed the trials underreported adverse events; for instance, Pfizer's own documents, released via FOIA in 2022, showed over 1,200 deaths in the first 90 days post-trial—figures buried in fine print.
The discussion pivots to the damning data Moore and Carlson unpack, painting a picture of systemic deception. They reference VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) reports, which by mid-2025 had logged over 1.6 million adverse events and 38,000 deaths linked to COVID vaccines in the U.S. alone—numbers Moore calls "the tip of the iceberg" since VAERS is voluntary and underreported by a factor of 10 to 100, per Harvard Pilgrim study estimates. "If even 10% are real, that's a catastrophe," Moore says.
They highlight excess mortality trends: CDC data showed U.S. all-cause deaths spiking 20-30% above baseline in 2021-2022, correlating with vaccine rollouts rather than infections. Internationally, they point to the U.K.'s Office for National Statistics, where vaccinated cohorts had higher non-COVID death rates, and insurance giant OneAmerica's report of a 40% jump in working-age deaths in 2021—the highest in 100 years.
Moore also brings up spike protein pathology, a recurring theme. The vaccines instruct cells to produce the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, which he describes as a "toxin" that binds to ACE2 receptors, causing inflammation and clotting. Peer-reviewed studies from 2023 onward, including those in *Circulation* and *Nature*, confirm the spike's role in endothelial damage—explaining surges in heart attacks and strokes.
"We saw it in autopsies: micro-clots everywhere," Moore asserts, referencing embalmers' reports of anomalous fibrous structures in vaccinated deceased. On fertility, they cite a 2024 meta-analysis in *Fertility and Sterility* showing a 25% drop in conception rates among vaccinated women, with no recovery. Cancer data is equally alarming: Moore references a 2025 *Lancet Oncology* paper linking mRNA-induced immune suppression to turbo cancers, with U.S. cases in under-50s up 80% since 2020 per the American Cancer Society.
Carlson interjects with outrage, questioning why figures like Bill Gates—who invested billions in vaccines—and Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla faced no scrutiny. "Bourla's a veterinarian, not even a doctor, pushing this on humans," Carlson quips, while Moore details how Gates' foundation funded WHO trials that prioritized speed over safety. They decry the suppression of dissent: Moore's clinic was raided by the FBI in 2022 after a disgruntled employee tipped off authorities. Indicted on 12 counts of wire fraud and drug tampering, he faced life imprisonment. "They said I was endangering public health," Moore laughs bitterly. "But I was saving lives." Charges were dropped in 2024 amid whistleblower testimonies and mounting vaccine injury lawsuits, but not before his practice was ruined.
The interview culminates in a broader indictment of Big Pharma's influence. Moore argues the vaccines generated $100 billion in profits, with liability shields via the PREP Act preventing accountability. "No clinical trials mean no real science—just marketing," he says. Carlson nods, tying it to a "plot" where questioning "the science" invites destruction, from license revocations to smears. Yet, Moore's unvaccinated patients thrived: zero COVID hospitalizations in his cohort, versus national rates of 1 in 200 for the fully dosed.
This episode isn't just a tale of one doctor's defiance; it's a clarion call against medical authoritarianism. As Carlson wraps up, "Informed consent isn't optional—it's the bedrock of freedom." For those grappling with post-pandemic realities, Moore's story underscores the cost of blind trust in institutions. Whether you're a skeptic or a believer, this 134-minute deep dive demands attention—proof that truth, however inconvenient, endures.